ago. - 4-8 Heavy Cruisers and 12-24 Destroyers, heavy for cheap support and. Subs also take longer to hide, have a tougher time finding convoys, and convoy escort was buffed to have more regions at base. subs are for raiding convoys and the small coastal shortrange subs i usually. Fully teched out convoy raiders in the Atlantic West of UK air patrols. *Edit, Quick addition, when making anti-sub task forces you need a composition of both Light Cruisers (to spot/detect subs) and Destroyers (to kill subs), a usual 1/5 or 2/6 should suffice for most engagements. A single task force of 12 ships can participate in only one battle at a time. Set to Medium Engage role. DN = dreadnought. This is the most powerful doctrine for surface action. The weaknesses are enemy airpower, good ASW cruisers, or destroyer spam (but destroyers only deter and not kill). Subs spread out for just convoy. • 1 yr. I had the opposite experience, I just played a game as Nationalist Spain and had very good success choking out Britain via convoy raiding. Convoy Escort/Patrol Mission - fleets of 50 LC and 100 DD/DE (Destroyer Escort). Most effective are patrol, strike force and invasion support. And convoys arn't being found. Less important for a mainland victory, but nice for island hopping. 6. [deleted] • 6 yr. 3-> SPEED ->If you want to convoy raid, you really gotta go to the next step. They slow down the rest of the fleet. Now take the same build and replace 1 spotting plane with torps and pair that with torp destroyers put on convoy. The ASW-only task forces run convoy escort missions by themselves, and I don't typically throw surface combat ships on convoy escort unless the enemy starts throwing actual meat at my shipping. 38 votes, 14 comments. . Don't really need mines to get over the channel as Italy, just a port close enough to operate there and put everything not on convoy escort on strike force, no patrols to locate targets, the UK will split their navy too much and Italy can get sufficient intel to. Reply. The reason that these are effective against the current meta is because CA's are counted as Capital Ships. Greatest HOI4 post of all time. Patrol just attempts to make sure there are no enemies that could attack them. Most subs had one or two small-caliber ( destroyer sized, but without the turret/armor ) dual-purpose gun on them, they would be used when surfaced. This is my first dev diary, so be gentle ;). Attack. Don´t forget to research Magnetic detonator since it adds 20% to de torpedo damage and its p. This is their preferred theater of combat after all. So the more convoys the more ships you need. Then I usually put together one recon force Witz 8-10 fleets of 1ca und 2dd with max spotting so a lot of catapults und radar on these ships. Messed up that I got capped despite absolutely crushing the sub forces sent against me. Operating in squadrons of 6 on convoy escort. Submarine Wolf Pack- 10 attack subs 2 scout subs (it might just be Cruiser submarine hulls, but you can mount aircraft facilities on them boosting your subs ability to detect targets)Convoy escorts can also be deathstacked but you need as many escort fleets as the enemy had raiding fleets in order to join every combat. You want to win the fights where you don't have to fight surface ships. But UK especially always needs m0ar DD for convoy escort. The bad news for British convoy escorts is that the mines are so bad, they are penalizing the surface ships speed 50% or more. As U. I will also show the best doctrines for maintaining convoy escort and sub detection. For trade intrediction convoy riding and low risk engage + your choice of repair. 0 unless otherwise noted. Battleship Adherent: This is a dangerous trait, due to its Naval AA debuff, if you do not have the air war completely on lockdown, or if your enemy is using carriers. have paratroopers researched (paratrooper 2s if possible). Those DDs swat away any convoy raiding subs they come across and are quick enough to catch a few before they escape. The best way is to make Spotting Cruisers (cruisers with only Float Plane 2s on them) and pair them up with 5-10 Destroyers each with only Sonar and Depth Charges. Use tactical bombers on. This is correct. my Navy was better so i almost sank all british ships but as i started the neval invasion…Compositions to do their tasks optimally would be as follows: 30 Subs = Raiding task force. The secondary purpose can be AA -- by adding more AA guns, AE -- add extra secondary guns (the same size as a destroyer's main weapons), and/or multiple torp tubes for use against capital ships. e. This is annoying. The more destroyers / patrols the enemy has out, the more likely you are to have this happen. Safer against subs only naval bombers. Place your subs where you think troop convoys will be crossing, and if there don't seem to be any go for trade lines. The German U-boat wolf packs were deployed in groups of 8-20 and the same should be true here for subs on convoy raiding. If the subs are always wiping the whole convoy on every engagement potentially you are better off splitting them smaller. The smaller the value, the less visible the submarine becomes making it harder to spot. It absolutely nukes literally all your stats - heavy attack, light attack, screening, etc. I think it is just poorly explained which is about par for Paradox. Rediculous refit costs for ancillary systems like improving radar, ASW, AA, etcThe original main problem is I would send a fleet out to reinforce a sub fleet that was convoy raiding. Also it might be worth nothing that the people I play with send their whole fleet to convoy escort. Destroyers give more naval superiority per IC and are useful for convoy escort once you land on great britain. I put them in small groups. This is because ships that can't hit other ships will run. Also, sorry for the late post today. Good light cruisers are excellent uses of resources. Also, sorry for the late post today. Groups of 10 destroyers with sonar and depth charges. Set to Medium Engage role. Most subs are slow, and the "convoy escort" mission doesn't really require fast fleets. This is my first dev diary, so be gentle ;). 5 Convoy RaidingFlyPepper. So I have a Fleet with eight task forces of different types, both subs and surface ships. Convoy escort is basically a numbers game. I'm pretty sure it means that the supply route is being raided by the enemy so convoy escort is your best bet. The subs were set to DNE and no repair. Operating in squadrons of 6 on convoy escort. It is the most efficient in responding to the escort needs of convoys and in anti-submarine warfare. Business, Economics, and Finance. By 1943 I had 1 fleet of ~5BC and 12 Light Cruisers raiding by France and the Western Coast of Britain and 3 sub groups 1 Atlantic, 1 by gibralter, and 1 in southwest africa killing off ~12-16+ convoys a week. Manpower and Fuel limit here. Convoy Raiding: 1 task force can cover 1. Today’s diary entry covers our improvements to. The convoy escort gives +30% escort efficiency, which is pretty good because it lowers the number of escort ships required, and +20% sub detection for DDs. Gefallener_Held General. Once you get 1940 subs, stop producing cruiser subs. The ASW destroyer must have max level sonar. It is no longer as old patch when a lone sub can kill a whole convoy! Last edited: Mar 22, 2019. It's not until/unless you've got several escorts on a supply run that the subs occasionally fail to penetrate the escort screen and turn away without sinking anything. Convoy raising works by blocking landing craft and cutting supply lines to overseas divisions. Although missions can be assigned at the task force level, the operating area for. Convoy health causing auto heal 7. You need cheap DDs to have 100% escort efficiency. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Business, Economics, and Finance. If you dont prepare for it in advanced you will have a hard time. Light cruisers/destroyers. HOI4 Tools SGr - Save Game Recorder - records, compresses, and archives autosave files in realtime, no game impact. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by [deleted] View community ranking In the Top 1% of largest communities on Reddit. The only other missions are convoy escort and a couple raiders. Surface Action Group - Battleship-centric fleets. You need to protect your convoys for trade, supply, and invasions. They still have plenty fuel and I didn't even run any convoy escort mission. Maybe put 1 charge on them for extra deterrent if its that much of a threat. Convoy raiding I would just rush sub 3’s and make those the whole time because they are good enough to get the job done. This demonstrates that convoy raiding efficiency is based on the ratio of number of task forces by number of assigned sea regions. To counter sub 3s with trade interdiction maxed, you need 36 depth charges for a 1-hit-KO, but with a good offense stat on an admiral this may be lowered. This may be related: I've noticed that naval bombers don't show in the air combat stats. If you really want to do it, gain naval intel and use radars. Take all your subs in one task force, split them into 10 groups, tell them to convoy raid 12-15 different sea zones. The AI doesn't produce the second and destroyer spam is best killed by good cruisers. Late game subs are already OP and your suggestions would make them even more so. The surface fleet meta is heavy cruisers (1 heavy gun, lots of light guns, max engine, no armor), with roach destroyers (as cheap as can be; possibly include upgraded engines) and torpedo destroyers. They are death to your subs. HOI4 Tools SGr - Save Game Recorder - records, compresses, and archives autosave files in realtime, no game impact. Such a fleet would drink lots of fuel. Try several small packs in covering each sea zone. . ; About Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki; Mobile. I lean towards just refitting and just building some useful screens, escorts and convoy raiders. while having another line making subs for convoy hunting. It takes a while to kill submarines. NAV can also be effective at killing subs, especially when you have a lot of sub detection in the sea zone. The second meta is sub3 plus bombers. 0 unless otherwise noted. However, convoy escorts will still be able to fight against submarines once combat is initiated, even if subs are not normally detectable by enemy taskforces on the map. But then, the USA started raiding my convoys around japan. Each mission has a corresponding hotkey. Supplement them with naval bombers or tactical bombers on naval strike orders. ago. Indeed, worst part here, is that I had research the whole naval idea group the US starts with, guess thats a mistake. It may also be useful for convoy escort fleets lacking the detection or depth charges to kill subs, instead making the subs just go away before any more damage can be done. Also, use cruiser subs (for range) and naval invade from Hawaii. Be nice if they added a min threat level to it. For example, a Sub3 with both radar and snorkel would be practically invincible, even to NAV in shallow waters. Such a fleet would drink lots of fuel. Right clic on the fleet and left clic on the fleet you want to assign. ; About Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki; Mobile viewMining subs/raiding subs are the best use of IC but the little cruiser groups or strike groups are needed to clear out enemy escort groups so they can function. I plan to conquer the UK as germany by convoy raiding around the British mainland. Only known optimal size I can think of is no more than 4CV per fleet, and should have 3-4 screens per capital. Trade Interdiction Take the subs out of your convoy escort. 'Bold' is simply the best trait you can get, at least for task forces you want to fight the enemy. Your attack taskforces will stay in the harbor you set them to and will wait for your scouting forces to. In HOI4, even if you have CV battlegroups prowling the Atlantic sealanes, you can barely sink 100 convoys in the course of months. Destroyers are also ideally suited to convoy escort missions. They are treated more abstractly than all other ship types, with a variety of unique mechanics. You should get subs 3s over sub 1s because sub 3s have a slot. Germany will just spam 1940 subs with good admirals and doctrines, and you'll stretch your convoy escorts thin with all the extra traffic while not sinking that many submarines. The mission is primarily a counter to Convoy Raiding. The number of escorts needed doesn't change much as more. I reloaded several times to get the same result. You convoy raid them and any units that want. Heavy raiders can sink the actual convoy escorts (and any free-roaming anti-sub patrols!)- which will take months or YEARS to replace, depending on how many you sink each year. Find below an updated list of all Hearts of Iron IV console commands, these are commonly referred to as cheat codes. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. This design was designed to deal maximum Depth charge damage, for the best cost-effectiveness possible. We quickly ran into a problem with importing steel from our convoy losses, leading to production penalties and equipment problems, though not as bad as Spain's. If a fleet is selected, a row of different orders will appear above it. With convoy escort even the most modern DDs have trouble sinking anything. Subs, Nav Bombers, Kamakaizes, just spam them, and poof navy gone. Yeah, I've found something similar. Such as convoy escort would not go chasing after an enemy patrol ship who did not intend to engage the convoy. you can do convoy escort with destroyers and keep your main fleet nearby in strike force or whatever its called Reply. Are you using convoy escort or patrol mission for those DDs? They will behave differently depending on the mission. My patrol flotillas have 10 DD and 1 scouting cruiser, I build a handful of escort flotillas for convoy escort/sub hunting, and each battle fleet is usually 4 CV, 5 BB, 6 CA, 2 scouting cruisers, 12 CL, and 50 DD. We also lost most of our navy (cheap escort destroyers/minelayers and raiding subs) in the war, ending it with a mere 7 vessels. sub_retreat_speed = 0. Never miss a thing. These range from simple patrol missions to convoy escort duty. And, most importantly, 4. Engine 3 on subs is also important as it makes escaping from convoy escort faster and imrpoves the rate at which cubs join battle. when you just want to shoot the convoy but accidentally fired on the escorts instead. Got back into HOI4 recently and this time around i'm really invested in learning and pushing for my first world conquest/win. Once my fleet was defeated by Japan, I sent over the other 6 BBs and some heavy cruisers + escorts to reinforce my carrier fleet, but in the next battle, said fleet got immediately sunk, losing most of the destroyers, 5 BBs and a carrier. Avoid shallow seas at all cost. ago. All the other toys in a main strike force.